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Post by ET on Aug 24, 2015 17:25:43 GMT 1
I only found Adam's 1st apology tweet by looking at Hannah's mentions, so she had to have seen it. Unless she blocked him. It was basically one tweet saying sorry. Nothing more. This new one is a lot more detailed.
Re: Adam mentioning her illness. When I first read it I found that really weird. Hannah herself has kept that quiet and yet here is Adam laying it bare - so to speak - and even mentioning him looking after her and love etc... They obviously talked and she knew what his tweet would contain. I just found it weird he was the one spilling it and not her explaining it.
I can understand it takes a toll, looking after someone who is ill, that's happened in my family, but as I said it either pulls you together and makes you stronger or it doesn't. Seems with this it didn't. And whatever happened to make him move out, was it the illness or Hannah making it tough for Adam as she realised she liked Paul more? (along with the illness I mean).
Adam seeing a therapist and being on anti-depressants makes a little more sense knowing about her illness but again, it shouldn't have been mentioned in that story as it wasn't specifically directed to the events in question. It made it sound like the H&P stuff was to blame. And it wasn't it seems.
The reconnecting with Paul we assume happened during the tour, but if you look at Children in Need for example, I think it started happening then. As friends I mean. They'd been friendly during the previous year, even going to things with Tina/Brad etc... and once with all the other S Clubbers. So maybe it's not as sudden as we think? As I said though, I'd really like to know how honest she was with Paul about not only Adam but her illness troubles.
Paul's tweets have been quite chirpy lately since he stated tweeting again. Only videos but that's nothing new. I also noticed the 'stolen back' comment on the break up video. Also a heart. I can't fathom what the hell it all means! LOL! I also tried to figure out the 'chop a sample once shame on you, chop a sample twice shame on me' but couldn't! Was it just randomly related to a song or more?! Haha!
Regarding them not tweeting each other, fav'ing stuff etc.. well that stoped happening after Paul tweeted the ebay thing on 28th july. Since that tweet he disappeared for a while. She didn't reply for a while to that either. Both busy? Maybe after the Rome stuff they decided to calm it down and try to keep a more discreet presence online for privacy? Since Hannah's split with Andrew, she hasn't been big on discussing her private life. And Paul isn't that kind of guy. So maybe it isn't a split but busy times and calming things down? I'm trying to see a happy end to this! LOL! As for Hannah and the engagement to Adam. As I said before, it surprised me they were dating let along engaged! I didn't even realise he existed. And yeah, I never saw her wear his engagement ring. Like it never existed. Which is strange in itself. I mean, dating and keeping it quiet is one thing, but surely once you're engaged then why be so quiet??
The tweet Hannah did was about PaulsPepsiAndHaaganDasFloat or something. So sugar galore for sure. That was June I think. Before the no sugar/caffeine thing. That was after Rome/seeing her family. That's an Aug thing.
As has been mentioned, if Hannah was really *that* ill why commit to so much work?? The hotel play could have been left alone and she could have just concentrated on the tour. Specially as she seemed to be doing a few comic cons as well. We don't actually know *what* is wrong with her (as she doesn't yet either it seems) so we don't know how bad she gets and how often. Is it a daily, weekly, monthly or 'when it wants to kind of thing'? Who knows. It obviously strained them. I do hope she gets it sorted soon so she can get on with her life properly.
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Post by MG on Aug 24, 2015 22:44:27 GMT 1
I'd say she's acknowledging her illness that Adam spoke about. They may have been thinking breast implant illness back then and that could be why he tweeted about it. It seems they've now ruled that out as a cause.
To me she chose S Club and other work over her health and her relationship with her fiance. That's unacceptable in my book. She intentionally added more stress which is never a good thing when you're unwell. They haven't figured out what's wrong yet she takes on more work and stress when stress itself can cause health problems. Their relationship was probably too new to withstand the barrage especially as it seems she cared more for herself and S Club than her relationship with her fiance. I think he really did care and tried everything to help her get well. S Club surely could have adjusted the reunion if she'd told them early on about the state of her health.
I think the stress, frustration, confusion from the yearlong health crisis took their toll on Adam and then he finds out his fiance is with her old flame when she was supposedly needed one less thing to deal with (their relationship) just set Adam off. It seems she was saying work is more important. Everyone has a breaking point. He'd reached his. No he wasn't right in what he did, but he was angry, frustrated, exhausted, confused....and he let it out.
Why did Paul sell his story when he did? It had been many many months since they'd split? Desperation? Attention? Money?
Hannah and Andrew's relationship was pretty public. Her relationship with Adam was the exact opposite. Neither path ended well. As I said before, I knew in the fall of 2013 that she and Adam were an item and continued to be until mid-April when I noticed they'd gone quiet. Based on his new apology, something happened in May. His birthday was at the end of the tour. I can well see him thinking they 'll celebrate the end of the tour and his birthday and talk about their future. I don't know of anyone however that knew they were engaged. That picture from 30 March 2014 was the only hint we had, I think, that there was an engagement. Why was it kept so quiet is something we're all still scratching our heads about.
Hannah really needs to say something about this mess because she's culpable as well. Her fans should refer to him as fiance as well. They keep saying boyfriend. They are not the same thing and he was her fiance. Andrew was her fiance. Paul was her boyfriend.
When S Club got together to see Jon in Jersey Boys, Andrew didn't attend. She reconnected with all the gang then. She was seen going to things with Paul among others. Since that year saw her and Andrew take off their rings and her allegedly (see earlier post in this thread) cheat on Andrew [her cheating on him has floated around for years now but nothing specific has been cited] was that reunion the point at which she started to turn back towards Paul and slowly rebuild their relationship?
I've rambled again. Sorry.
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Post by J on Aug 24, 2015 23:28:49 GMT 1
No I agree with you MG and find your opinions very enlightening.I agree,I even as a Hannah fan first and foremost have a ton of sympathy for Adam.I get the feeling he was in the background and not buy choice.It must sting . I can see why he did some of the things he did.He was hurt.But to me what he did with her twitter and insulting Paul was just a lowblow.
I have always thought that Hannah wanted to be with Paul but she wanted him to be the way she wanted him to be and that caused their earlier split. He may have been the relationship that neither have been able to let go of.But to do it in the way it was done if Adams story is mainly true...I don't know
I have no idea as to the Hannah/Paul relationship right now.I could go either way as to still together or split up.All I know is that some things don't add up and with my curious nature it peaks m interest. For some reason I'd imagine that getting back together for the second time that Paul sees this as a marriage/kids/forever thing.(Not that I know his thought or anything.).I hope Hannah feels the same way too because I think he is the one most a risk of getting hurt just like it seems to have hurt Andrew and Adam.
Ok.I'm blabbing on...
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Post by MG on Aug 24, 2015 23:56:33 GMT 1
Adam was seen by fans at at least some comic cons she did yet she didn't wear her engagement ring at any of those events. She left the hotel she did the play at one night on a motorcycle. I assume Adam was the other person on the bike.
If she really wanted to be with Paul for years, then that's insulting to Andrew. And the fans. She really needs to come clean about everything.
I wish I could find the article I read about her wedding planning. I'm pretty sure it was dated Dec. 2012. She was asked about the wedding. Her response was (paraphrasing here) Oh yeah. I should do that. I'm lazy.
That does not sound like someone who is even remotely interested in getting married. If you want something or something is important to you, you make the time, rearranging your schedule, dropping something else down in priority, etc...Guys pretty much take a back seat in wedding planning as the ladies take charge and plan virtually every detail. We didn't ever see that from Hannah.
Have to go now.
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Post by J on Aug 25, 2015 0:32:54 GMT 1
You're right.I don't think she's the marrying type if the article is anything to go by.Which is all fine and good as long as you don't get engaged.
IF she considered any of her boyfriends a substitute for Paul I'm not sure but I do think he was her first love and they were together quite awhile but I also think she wanted to change him and make him more ambitious.But then again if what was written is true she has talked meanly about him so who knows?.I do think that the majority of Hannah and Andrews relationship seemed like a very happy one.I am thrilled for him with his happiness with his wife.As for Adam I wouldn't even pretend to know anything about that.
If anything I think after a certain amount of time Hannah seems to get the "7 year itch".
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Post by ET on Aug 25, 2015 8:58:12 GMT 1
Re; the work. It did seem crazy piling on so much, specially once she knew the tour was happening. But some people like to keep busy. Maybe her attitute, rightly or wrongly, it to keep working and not let her illness dictate her life.
As I don't know much about Adam pesonally, then I have to go on what I've seen recently - twitter, story etc.. - and while I understand to a degree *why* he did it, I can't agree with it. Insulting Hannah was one thing, but going after Paul was too low for me. * I don't understand why Paul sold his story either, and can't agree with it. As for why it took so long, who knows. Maybe someone found out about Hannah & Andrew at that time and approached Paul for a story? That could be plausable. He needed the money I'd say and was still upset. I mean, Primeval once it started airing was everywhere. Couldn't escape the 'new' show. Seeing Han&And together again. But that is far too long ago now and he & Hannah have obviously talked it through. *
I do think Paul was her first love, but it didn't work. That happens. Doesn't mean anyone after that person is less. Just different and wondering about the one that got away. Doesn't cheapen anything. Millions of people feel that way, even after marrying for 30+ yrs and then reuniting with first flame. I don't think she wanted to change Paul as such, just see him get a job! He's talented and she knows it. Her smiles at him during his acoustic version of Reach the last night in Sheffield say it all IMO.
The marriage thing with Andrew. Some women don't care to plan! It's not common but it does happen. Maybe she isn't into all the planning but just the dreaming? Andrew could have taken the reins with it but obviously didn't. Which also says something. So I can't just blame Hannah for that one. If deep down she knew Andrew wasn't the one then that could also play a part. I don't know really how she felt about Adam but I can see her just getting caught up in the whirlwind romance and saying yes to his proposal. As we haven't seen any of their relationship play out it's hard to understand how close they were.
A comment earlier about both Hannah and Andrews' parents buying them expensive engagement gifts. The hol to florida and the orient express. For famous people who can afford that stuff I did find it very extravagent!
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Post by ET on Aug 25, 2015 17:52:11 GMT 1
Another thought I had a few weeks ago was that Hannah and Paul were being mostly disceet after tour. Yes Paul was selling a few things on Hannah's ebay account, but that could have been as just friends. No funny stuff there, she had an account and he didn't. Simple. The photo of them on 1st june at that restaurant was also nothing strange. 2 friends having a meal together. Pauls comment about Hannah selling Noodle (?) since they first lived together could have just also been a strange way with words. So really they were flying under the radar. Adam's story was the thing that blew it all up. It was the week after that that H&P were pictured on the underground kissing. Probably thought what's the point of hiding. So they were trying to keep it quiet but Adam selling his story put paid to that so why not advertise it more. I think after Rome they then decided to try to keep it on the downlow. So they could very well still be together just keeping schtum about it.
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Post by MG on Aug 26, 2015 2:32:14 GMT 1
This is an interesting interview that Hannah did: handrew.proboards.com/thread/12/hannah-article-notw-magazine-2010She feels someone wanting to spend the rest of their life with her so important yet she doesn't mention engagement or marriage in that commitment. So the men did want to spend their lives with her and yet nothing ever came of those plans. Would she have married Andrew if he'd planned things? I don't think so. If she wants to be busy and not let the illness dictate her life why not keep busy planning a wedding instead of a tour or at least in addition to the tour? But, she and Andrew kept saying they hadn't married because they were too busy working to plan a wedding or get married. Yet Andrew and Mariama were plenty busy and did plan a wedding and did get married. If Hannah didn't feel Andrew was the one, then she should have said so as soon as she knew instead of misleading everyone. That would involve her having issues with ending things just like with Paul and Adam. Something just doesn't add up. Anyway, I'm pretty well done with her and this whole mess. It would be nice if she'd set the record straight about everything and apologize where necessary so there's not all this speculation and stuff going around.
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Post by MG on Aug 26, 2015 11:15:24 GMT 1
Just one thing about Paul's story. Hannah and Andrew were photographed a number of times at events in 2006 looking very much a couple. Why did he wait until about a month after "Primeval" started airing in 2007? I think it was pretty convenient timing appearing just as the shows taking off.
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Post by ET on Aug 26, 2015 16:00:05 GMT 1
Unfortunately we only see things from the outside and make judgements on that. But we know life isn't as black and white as it seems.
I know it feels like I'm defending Hannah all the time, but really I'm just trying to play devils advocate a little and give it another side. But most of what you say MG seems right.
Whether Hannah knew Andrew wasn't the 'one' isn't clear to us at all. At the time he may have seemed like it but things just change, you're not sure when but they do. As for why she never planned a wedding, well some people put things off subconsciously without realising it or they end up making excuses - which it seems Hannah AND Andrew did. I can't really put that all on Hannah, even though it's easy to as she's the bride.
I was thinking after reading Adam's apology tweet, did Hannah have all these health issues when she and Andrew were together? I'd say no, as if they thought her implants could be causing the issue it had to be fairly recent. Maybe that's why she was drawn to Adam?? His fitness side could be attractive.
Paul's story. Yep, I'd say it wasn't a surprise it happened around Primeval. But tbh, I'm thinking they approached him not the other way around. Just a feeling I have that's all.
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Post by MG on Aug 26, 2015 23:19:14 GMT 1
I think this could all be much more black and white if all parties involved would just set the record straight with the whole truth and just that. Only having all these conflicting pieces floating around just keeps us all confused, and, at times, worried.
Do we have any idea when Hannah got breast implants?
Her body issues comment only confuses things. In photo shoots going back to S Club days, there are some very scantily clad photos and she's doing one heck of an acting job because she's not seeming in the least concerned about her body in them. If she was finally comfortable with her body starting in 2009, then why get implants?
Completely OT: Does anyone know when Alan Potts died? He was terminally ill while Andrew was filming season 3 of "Primeval" as he had special permission to go back to Bradford as needed. Then, while filming "Alice" he spoke about his dad's illness. Sarah-Jane and Buster had moved back to Bradford during all this time to help out. I'm guessing it was sometime in 2010.
Paul's story. Even if they approached him, he still gave them one about her cheating on him with Andrew. He could have said he had no comment or that there was nothing to tell as he and Hannah had split prior to that, etc...
I think Hannah and Andrew issued their announcement that they'd split up simultaneously and with the same words was in large part for the sake of their fans that they share. That's where I think a lot of awkwardness at the comic con in April came from as well. This was their first Q&A since the split and they weren't sure what they'd be dealing with from the fans. Would one ask and then the floodgates open and they spend the whole thing talking about that? The fan questions started off slowly too probably for the same reason. Should we ask? Is someone going to ask? Oh, good they're talking about "Primeval" and laughing and then everyone felt better and the questions picked up and completely avoided the topic.
Why did Hannah need a personal trainer? She's always been physically fit and active. Did she have one prior to Adam? If not, was Adam needed to get her into shape for the tour? The tour was in the works for two years so it's possible. Or did she have health troubles starting them but thought she just needed to get more fit?
It's also possible that an S Club 7 reunion might have been yet another nail in the coffin of Hannah and Andrew's relationship based on what had already transpired between Hannah, Paul, and Andrew.
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Post by MG on Aug 26, 2015 23:21:21 GMT 1
Does anyone else want to chime in with their thoughts?
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Post by MG on Aug 27, 2015 3:37:33 GMT 1
This is going to sound a bit strange, maybe a lot strange, but it popped into my head so I'll throw it out here as food for thought.
People very often try to find their perfect home, their dream home they can see so clearly in their minds. In reality, these homes don't exist and compromises must be made. If those searching don't compromise, they very often end up searching for years and never finding their dream homes.
Is perhaps something like this what has happened with Hannah? She sees her perfect kitchen in Adam or her perfect living room in Paul or her dream garden in Andrew...thinks okay this is perfect so I just need to change this in Adam or that in Paul...but ultimately they fall short because just as houses can't always be remodeled the way you want or in the location you want...she couldn't change the other pieces in the men to fit the rest of the dream?
I did say it was a strange thought.
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Post by J on Aug 27, 2015 6:01:10 GMT 1
I think you're onto something with maybe she was looking for a "perfect" other match and that is just not possible which would explain the length of the relationships too.It is a 2 way street though.
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Post by MG on Aug 28, 2015 21:45:39 GMT 1
J, that's precisely my point. All are to blame, but I only see the men being blamed for whatever goes wrong. What I'm seeing from her fans are everything she does is awesome, she's perfect,etc...they don't seem, from what I've gathered, to hold her accountable for her actions. No, we don't know specifics, but we can piece together a decent enough picture to know she's at fault, too. The men have been held accountable.
Are they wearing extra thick heavy duty rose colored glasses that they refuse to take off? It seems that way to me. The Handrew fans who thought they were Hannah and Andrew were just being funny at Wales Comic Con 2013 were not seeing the real picture either. I started watching that video for the first time when it was put online and it was very obvious to me that they were not together or that there was at least something seriously wrong.
The only time I've seen any correction from fans was when she started all that health advice in late 2013. After people commented on her competency in that field, she stopped.
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