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Post by CAT on Sept 2, 2015 15:27:23 GMT 1
Sorry for the double post. It told me the captcha didn't work first time so I did it again!
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Post by MG on Sept 3, 2015 3:12:55 GMT 1
My thoughts:
Reason she wanted a personal trainer: Hannah wanted to get fit for S Club's reunion or she was feeling rundown and thought she needed to get more fit
Guy's influence: In the past, she has said that whoever she's with influences her. I personally have never viewed her as someone who could sing. She was hired for S Club because she could act. After S Club she got a few roles then came Primeval. She had many years to grow as an actress through her character. Theater work went well for her too. Adam used to be a soccer player at some level, I think, and then got into personal training and selling the yogabody stuff with a relative. Hannah was probably trying to be supportive of the new venture at first and went overboard as people tend to do with something new. That stopped when the fans commented about her expertise in the health field. She continued acting in small roles and did S Club reunion stuff as well.
Health: At some point she was feeling very unwell. The symptoms pointed to possible problems with breast implants. When or why she got breast implants, I've no idea, although if she was having body issues and she and Adam were around a lot of women looking like women in pics he posts on his work FB, then perhaps that led to the implants. When did the illness start, I'd say probably after the implants. What is wrong exactly? We don't know, but eliminating foods may be an auto immune problem or something with the gall bladder or liver........I hope she gets that sorted soon.
Has she changed her hair again? It looks like it to me, but she was only at the hairdressers like three weeks ago. In her new tweet with her polka dotted nails, does she look to be wearing the bracelet from Rome [the one with "Hannah" and "Ti amo" (which google says is Italian for "I love you")]?
So how has Hannah changed? I think it was ET who felt she'd changed as well but couldn't explain how aside from the health issues. In some ways she's the same: good actress, nice, and quirky fashion sense. But...that's what I can't explain. Something is different.
I think that's enough of a ramble for now...
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Post by ET on Sept 3, 2015 8:37:11 GMT 1
I did mention the change yes, but I really don't know how to explain it! I don't think she changed at all for Paul during dating time 1. He had known her before, all be it as a friend, and then during S Club and seemed to like her as she was, unconditionally it seemed. As it should be.
For Andrew I don't think she changed. She was acting and he was acting. No change there I think. And she seemed the same but just a bit more mature. She appeared to change during the end of their time together.
For Adam? Well she obviously got more involved with his side of things. The health side for sure. Went a bit overboard by the looks of it. If you're with someone who does fitness 24/7 then pretty hard to ignore it I'd say. Given she wanted a personal trainer then it's something she maybe wanted to get more involved with? Question is, did she feel she had to change to be with Adam re: the fitness/health side. I mean, more than just training and getting fitter/healthier. I have no idea. Some women change at the start to 'fit in' then it calms down.
The health side. As Adam mentioned the implants then we have to assume the health problem kicked off *after* those for them to suspect it. Now why she got them I don't know. Many women just want bigger boobs to be sexier for themselves or see themselves as real women. *I've never understood that personally as bigger boobs are a headache! LOL*. Anyway.... When she got them, I can't answer that either. In pictures it's hard to tell as bra's do make a difference and I'm not looking *that* closely! But I would like to guess it wasn't when with Andrew. Unless it was during the latter stages of their relationship and things kicked off healthwise & he disagreed with her decision? That is an option I suppose. But a reaching one. Him being around other actresses after working with her so long could have kicked off confidence issues? ~*shrug* Then again, being around all the women Adam works with could also have done that. Why she got them at all is a serious one though. Having implants doesn't always work to make things better for yourself. Only therapy can do that.
The change? Still can't explain it even after that lengthy waffling!
It's funny you mentioned liver in your post MG. I looked at her pic from yesterday with the nails and thought her face 9mostly) looked a bit, well, yellow. Jaundice. It just didn't look *right*. Healthy. or also could be a bad fake tan. We know she had one done the other week.
Her hair has probably just changed because she did it herself! It looks like the colour she had done is washing/growing out and just styled differently. But if she has been back to the hairdressers then that's OK to me, some experiment with fashion, some with hair! I just hope she doesn't cut it all off again. I wasn't a fan of that very short hair. :/
I really can't see the bracelets to know what she's wearing. I go back and forth now with 'are they together?/aren't they together?' LOL! They both last posted on 31st Aug and then disappeared for a day before Hannah tweeted the nails thing. Did Paul take the Stanley pic? Is that even her house?! I really read too much into twitter! HAHA! There is a Gala on the 17th for RH that Paul might attend as he did mention it, so we'll see if she goes to that. It's a marker anyway.
MG - do you think she's changed since being with Adam or did it happen with Andrew for you? Was it the health thing that changed her and led her down a path we can't explain? As I said in my post here, I think she changed most with Adam, but was it *for* Adam or did she really just enjoy all the fitness/health stuff? I still can't pinpoint how exactly though!
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Post by E on Sept 3, 2015 10:00:58 GMT 1
For the bracelets, I'm pretty sure she's wearing the "Ti Amo" one. I went back and forth with the recent picture of her new nails and the one before that. The bracelets have the same string so I'm hoping it's the "Ti Amo" one. If not, then idk what it is, LOL.
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Post by ET on Sept 3, 2015 17:08:28 GMT 1
Yep, you and MG are right, it seems the same one. I've just looked at the pic Paul posted of her in the pool, it's the only one on her wrist so easy to look at. Same colour/writing. Can't read it though so good eyesight there if that's what it says.
I will say that Hannah always looks tired these days. During tour I thought that in a few photos but put that down to the sleeping schedule. But this last pic the bags under her eyes are so prominent.
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Post by ET on Sept 3, 2015 17:18:13 GMT 1
Ah, no wait. They are 2 different bracelets. Checking the pic from that Kirsty lady on 31st July they are 2 separate ones. One says Hannah the other says Ti Amo. In the recent pic (and the pool pic) Hannah is only wearing one. The Hannah one seems to have the tassel on it that's pink. twitter.com/xXKirstyX/status/627211518027923456 In all honestly I only see one bracelet in the new pic. So possibly not the Ti Amo one. Dammit!
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Post by MG on Sept 3, 2015 21:40:00 GMT 1
I thought there were two bracelets in the earlier pic and then only one in the latest pic. That's why I asked. It may mean nothing or it may mean she and Paul aren't together.
Her illness I'm pretty sure happened after Andrew as she had a friend who had a baking business she was promoting, Victoria's Cupcakes, if my memory serves. She did some baking and decorating then as she tweeted about it. She also made cupcakes that she was giving out at the March 2013 comic con. And she was holidaying in Majorca (of all places) without Andrew in May 2013 and looked drunk so she was partying which probably included sugar and other stuff she can't have now.
She has been tweeting strange things these days: a fish and a roll shaper? Ok...
I didn't mention it earlier because I know she's done yoga and Buddha stuff for years. Andrew spoke about it when they filmed in Dublin. They would do some running or something and then he go to the gym while she did yoga. The statue was in the behind the scenes for "Little Larry" as well. It's the same one she posted with the morning glory pics I believe. Is she delving more into it and it's some of the oddness we've been seeing?
As I said in an earlier post, I have thought she looked unwell since last year so I'm right there with you with her looking tired and a bit jaundiced. Hopefully whatever is wrong is sorted soon and doesn't require treatments that are as bad or worse than the illness they're meant to remedy.
I was always more interested in Andrew and wasn't paying attention to either of them for a couple of years. I started again in 2013 so I can't really say how they were before then. They went off the radar as well because he was doing Keychain projects while she was doing theater work. Neither of those really had them doing interviews so there's a gap from May 2011 when they last promoted Primeval and summer 2012 with collectormania together. We know they did take a break in 2011 as Andrew stated that every so often things get crazy and they take a break. This break was after the alleged cheating by Hannah. This is when the rings came of I think.
Anyway, Andrew was doing his vlogs end of 2012-April 2013. Things seemed ok until the April vlog which was odd in my book. Combined with the March comic con which I felt something wasn't right and the Wales one in April where I felt they weren't together together anymore I think things came to a head in that time period. Andrew was all set to film Ch. 4 of Little Lilly, but it suddenly didn't happen. Hannah is Lilly so my thinking was that they'd split. It could be work interfered and it got shelved. Perhaps it was a combination of the two.
Andrew went to Hungary(?) to film "Dracula" and then was back and forth between London and Birmingham filming "By Any Means" starting around April/May until August.
Well, I've gotten well off track there.
I'm thinking that the change in Andrew some people felt happened in early 2013 was things coming undone with Hannah. He was also shifting back into more serious work which may have made him seem changed in a sense.
Is it her attitude that's changed? Is she disinterested? To me she didn't seem really into the Rome trip. It almost seemed like an act and she was playing the part or posing.
I'll be back later.
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Post by ET on Sept 3, 2015 22:27:14 GMT 1
The latest pic is def one bracelet. I can't read the writing but it looks like one word, so I'd go for the Hannah one. Not wearing the other could be a sign but could also just mean nothing except our imagination, although she does have enough of the other bracelets on so adding the Ti Amo one wouldn't have hurt. I'd venture to say the no sugar thing etc. is fairly recent yeah. Maybe suggested by a Dr or dietician to try to eliminate foods to see what ones aggravate her illness? It's usually recommended to see how people respond so could make sense. Also the no coffee thing. I now know if I have tea or coffee they give me major PMS symptoms so could be the same for her with her illness. Triggers as it were. The delving deeper into things could be the change we see. I have to admit I'm not drawn to people who have strange or different obsessions. And this seems like one of those times. When people share too much it can give others the wrong impressions sometimes. I did think the other day it was coincidence that the end of her relationships with both Paul and Andrew came after they stopped working together, about 2/3 yrs. Maybe that's enough time to realise they really aren't that compatible as lovers and it was work holding them together? She and Andrew seemed to disappear and decline quite quickly. I didn't realise they took regular breaks. Do you mean as lovers or just from the limelight/have a holiday? If you mean breaks from the relationship then, IMO only, doing that often isn't healthy and I find weird. Prob just me though. Interesting you thought the Rome trip was an act. To me she seems like she's acting a part most of the time tbh. Disclaimer: I hadn't really watched any interviews for a while at this point but... The Children in Need night was a strange one for me, specially during the latter segment they did with the quiz. It didn't seem like 'her' if that makes any sense. Like she was trying to be someone she wasn't. Then the interviews before tour seemed more 'normal' and tour itself seemed OK. Her changing her accent hasn't helped my perception! I know it happens but it still sounds strange! Her Norfolk twang has gone mostly. As for Rome. From the pics I can't really say. They don't always give us the true picture. I do think they were trying too hard to please fans by posting the Rome pics. Therefore maybe looking a little 'posed' or forced maybe? I still don't think they were ready to go public when Adam posted the story. That could also have played a part. I just hope whatever happened (we assume) it didn't hurt Paul too much. He always seemed to be sweet on her even during their time apart. A mutual breakup where they both realise it's wrong but can still be friends. That works. Or they're just keeping it quiet and are blissfully happy. Either works for me. ETC: you think she posts weird stuff lately? (the fish and the roll shaper....). Paul and his vids can be weird and as I was typing this he posts about horse sculpture things in the Thames! I find it interesting we have seen zero pics of him since Rome. Not even a selfie. It's like they're both trying to find obscure things to post to deflect away from them as a couple...... or a breakup.
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Post by MG on Sept 3, 2015 23:29:42 GMT 1
I don't really know what kind of breaks only that they'd spend time apart. From the one in late 2011, it sounded like it had happened before. They did have a lot on their plates in 2009/10 especially Andrew with "Primeval", "Alice", and dad terminally ill/dying.
Why not have a simple ceremony or elopement so his dad could have been part of it?
Why did she and Andrew not work out in 1997? They were very young, yes, but it seems Andrew wasn't impressed or didn't like something about her then. Did that whatever it was return? Was it just manifesting itself differently for a while?
Something Adam said came back to me. He said Hannah was the nicest person. At the end, it seemed she would change on a dime and go from being nice and into Adam to the next day being a completely different person and wanting nothing to do with him. How much of that is true? I don't know, but it just dawned on me that Andrew posted a pic of his wedding on his and Mariama's one month anniversary saying she was the nicest person he had ever met. [He then got pounded by fans and took a week's break from Twitter. There have been very few pics of him and Mariama since or anything else personal.] Perhaps Andrew saying that was a way of saying something about Hannah and what might have contributed to their split?
I think there is bit of acting in photoshoots, comic con appearances, and tv interviews which makes it harder to sort what's going on. These tweets of hers may be an act as well. I didn't even watch anything beyond their five minute medley because I thought it was a trainwreck. They practiced 13 hours day one of rehearsals and I'd assume just as many for those weeks leading up to CIN. It should have gone much better than it did. I felt she looked horrible at CIN. Others have noticed her accent change as well (see comments from youtube march 2013 comic con Q&A video with Lucy Brown). That contains the infamous "microphone incident" as well which I took as a dig at Andrew along with a comment she made to the guy who was directing the panel. [I'm doing all these from memory so I hope I'm getting them right.]
Andrew seems to have chemistry with everybody. That could be throwing things off as well. That is why the Wales Comic Con 2013 Q&A was so obvious to me that things weren't going well. In a vlog he did after Christmas 2012, he should a clip of himself moving too soon and overacting while Buster filmed him "being shot". To me, that's exactly what he was doing at that Q&A. People thought it funny, but all I could see was that they weren't "together" and probably weren't even talking to each other.
They were probably still trying to sort out what they were going to do at that point. Keep trying or call it a day. What to do about everything they co-owned. Where to live...I wish someone who saw those pics from June 2013 could explain what the pics actually showed. It seems that was the final straw for Andrew whatever happened.
Well, I think I've kinda gone well off topic here.
I'll be back later. Chores to do now.
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Post by MG on Sept 4, 2015 3:00:57 GMT 1
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Post by ET on Sept 4, 2015 13:23:34 GMT 1
The breaks thing is weird. Not really healthy for a relationship if you keep taking time apart if things get tough. That explains to me why they never got married. It was only a matter of time for a split to happen.
I've always wondered why they never actually did just 'do it'. Getting married doesn't have to be difficult.
The 1997 thing was explained that he was working (Band of Brothers I think) and she had just got the S club gig so would be away a lot. And she was. Recording the album and then going to the states to do Miami 7. I can understand that at that age it's not going to have to be serious (Han was just 16 and quite immature in a way tbh). I didn't see it as an issue with them not dating longer or getting serious. Both still young and geography got in the way.
Adam's comment about her being the nicest person came from the story didn't it. I can't really take much from that story as being true and gospel as it doesn't all ring true and was slightly stretched to sell the story. No mention of her illness causing problems before for them, meaning that was the reason he was probably on anti depressants and having therapy, not her and Paul causing it. Which is what the story made it out to be. Andrew posting that pic with the same kind of quote I would also take with a grain of salt. I think we tend to associate these things but I doubt they do. He's moved on very happily so I doubt Hannah and a comment from Adam are at the forefront of his mind. *if that's what you meant by your wording/comment MG.*
Strange really, or maybe I just have my fan goggles on but I enjoyed the CIN performance! LOL! Yes it wasn't as polished as it could have been, mainly Jo's singing was quite off but she explained that and took responsibility for it, but it was enjoyable for me and the tour def showed they could do it. I wish I had gone to at least another concert date. But the one I went to at the O2 was very good. Definitely a crowd pleaser.
The 2013 one with the microphone incident I didn't really read anything into it tbh. It wasn't as awkward as it could have been given Lucy was there to break things up between them. The April 2015 one was SO awkward though. The sofa needed to be about 20 ft longer for Andrew. And I swear Andrew did make a slight dig at Hannah during that one. Tongue in cheek kind of way which they both laughed at. When a comeback was mentioned at the beginning. Andrew commenting about everyone liking a band getting back together. Andrew (?) made a whiplash sound effect (I think it was him). Hannah replied with 'fair enough'. Hannah in previous interviews had said she never wanted to get back together with S Club 7. The time had past. Andrew also said something that the guy taking the panel thought was 'harsh' and Hannah said 'you get used to it'. Something about them staring at stuff that isn't there and Andrew tried to be funny and say 'only when I'm working with her'. Her reply def sounded like it had pissed Hannah off on more than occasion in the past.....
Yep, the March 2013 Wales one with just the 2 of them was super awkward. Andrew was turning away from her most of the time. Trying to make it look 'normal'. You could tell it wasn't though. He normally comes out smiling but in this one his face is completely serious. Dead pan. Which is weird as the Feb 2013 one at Telford before that is kind of OK.
The june 2013 pics of them sound interesting. If they're still on the web somewhere then chances are we'll never find them. Hidden. Whatever it was it didn't sound pleasant and complicated. By that point she had met Adam (solely as the personal trainer I might add). But given they both moved on quite quickly after those pics I'd say they were already separated and maybe arguing about personal stuff like the house and Stan? I have no real idea without seeing them.
I agree there's acting in everything. We never truly know the real them. No matter how normal they sound. I don't doubt she's a nice person though. Hope that all made sense. I type as I think. And I think a lot it seems! Haha!
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Post by ET on Sept 4, 2015 19:50:34 GMT 1
Paul's changed his side pic again. No idea where it comes from though. I finally found the banner/header pic. Can't tell if it's from a game book or what, but it's commonly called 'Warrior Angel' or on the pic I found (same size) Angel of Warrior. (anime/manga, final fantasy). Still no idea if either pic means anything 'deep' or he just likes them! Haha!
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Post by ET on Sept 4, 2015 20:06:16 GMT 1
Haha! and now Paul has posted Duke Dumont - Ocean Drive. Just like Hannah did. I didn't google the lyrics before though. No idea if they both like the song or it's got a deeper meaning.
"Pretending we're in love, when it's never enough"
"Highway to never.."
I won't post them as google is your friend. I am confused when people post songs. Does it just mean they like them or are the lyrics meaningful?
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Post by ET on Sept 4, 2015 20:24:21 GMT 1
His side pic appears to mean something about 'Hell Angel' (anime/fantasy). Hannah posted that Duke song on 31st July, the day after replying to Paul's tweet about the ebay stuff. She fav'd a tweet of her and Paul pics (from a fan) on 8th Aug and 2 s club pics on Aug 20th where she & Paul are next to each other.
Signed More confused than ever.
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Post by MG on Sept 5, 2015 0:04:35 GMT 1
Paul changed his profile pic a few days ago. Adam changed his for a few days and today has another new quote there. Hannah changed both her header and profile pic a few days ago as well. Here's a link to the lyrics of "Ocean Drive" www.musixmatch.com/lyrics/Duke-Dumont/Ocean-Drive# for people to think on. I think Hannah's fans cheer her on no matter what she posts. Paul posting happy Friday at the end of the day was interesting. Are his days starting then while hers are starting at about 6 am? It's my understanding that Simon Fuller started S Club 7 after being fired by the Spice Girls in November 1997. It was to be built around Rachel so she didn't audition. Someone from 19 Management found Paul and one of the others and asked them to join. Then, they held open auditions to fill the remaining spots. Hannah was in that audition with about 10,000 others. Some tweaking of members was done before they were the seven settled upon and then they went on to do the albums and tv shows. So, the earliest Hannah would've been involved in S Club was early 1998. Based on the info. for "Band of Brothers", Andrew probably auditioned for that around the same time. So I think they dated and split before these parts came into the picture. I found this interview with Andrew from 2003. I don't think he's changed too much at all from what he's quoted as saying in the interview. www.nothing-fancy.com/michaelkitchen/interviews/foyle204.htm It makes me think even more that the change some people thought was him dealing with his and Hannah's relationship falling apart. It must have seemed like a waste of seven years of his life and for what? As I said before, I'm not an S Club fan. I imagine if you are, you are still a fan; in you weren't you're probably still not. I think she is nice, but shouldn't that extend to her having enough respect for herself and the men in relationships with her to have ended the aforementioned relationships properly which it seems she hasn't done? And if the cheating on the men is true, she not being a nice person in those instances. That's something that bugs me about comments that were made when Adam went public with his story. Most of the comments were along the lines of "whatever makes her happy". Can they not see that "doing what makes her happy" in badly hurting others in the process? Yes, Andrew leveled a dig at her. She gave right back at the end where she's talking about new people coming into the show saying you get bored while pointing at Andrew. Could his comment have been hinting at waiting around for her to film things such as "Little Lilly" or waiting around for four years for a wedding? Perhaps. Her comment may have been that she got bored of Andrew in real life. As for the Feb. and March 2013 comic cons, that's why I think things went pear-shaped then. It's so blatantly obvious something happened. More cheating or no wedding possibly? She posted a Valetine's pic of a huge red balloon with writing on it. That weekend appeared to go well but then...Andrew tweeted pics of the Feb. comic con, a thanks from him and Hannah. By March the only thing that he tweeted with Hannah in it was the reminder that he, Hannah, and Lucy were doing the March comic con. That was really the last tweet from him about Hannah and it wasn't really about her. Ok. Lots of rambling again.
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