APOLOGY

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As I am computer illiterate and have tried various ways and times to delete posts and have not been able to do so I am creating this new one.

Please disregard nearly all my posts on this forum that I posted under "MG" as a guest.
While a few things I have posted have been correct, I am apparently mistaken about most things. (I can't say what specifically as I don't know the details of what is correct and what is wrong.)

I have sent a message to the admin to see if they can delete items for me. In the meantime, everyone from Hannah to the men and the fans, please accept my apology again.

I have not had the intention of harming anyone. I have just tried to get a complete picture and understand about the events discussed herein.

[MG]

Everything is still posted so I don't know what is going on.
I decided I would post some thoughts so others could understand more specifically where I was coming from.
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I've just looked at the picspam thread and the pic I posted of Hannah and Adam where he's smiling (she had tweeted it from their Barcelona trip) seems to have disappeared. (It used to show up for me and now isn't.)
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Anyway, I know some of the stuff I posted is true as even sc stated when posting that what I was saying was "largely untrue". It just got to the point where I was constantly in a state of frustration at the lack of clarification of anything posted and the many errors showing up in all the articles while Hannah was doing her media blitz. That led to anger as I knew we were being duped. Fans were misled during Paul and Hannah's five week fling and split. The whole Hannah and Adam whatever it is you want to call it from last fall until...whenever. I say that as it seemed to me that we were being fed false information (FB pics of them in December and earlier this year).
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Anything that was my opinion is just that and I tried to back it up with links and explanations. If my interpretations were wrong, so be it. When someone is forming opinions or beliefs based on what information they have at their disposal they aren't lying or being mean. They are making honest mistakes as they were not aware that the information they were basing their thoughts on were false.
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I have been worried in large part about the fans for a number of reasons. This is a very slippery slope Hannah is on with the fans. First, they are only fans. The steady stream of giving them what they want can lead to them assuming they have a special relationship with Hannah or anyone in the public's eye that simply does not exist. I know that Hannah has a fan that has known her since late 2000. Anything too personal in that regard should be kept offline. The same with all the DMing the fans do. I am not specifically meaning the particular group discussed in this forum. I know they have been fans for a while. The problem is that new fans will see that and some of them will start wanting that special treatment as well. It will keep growing and demanding more from Hannah (and other celebs who try to have that kind of contact with fans) which leads to disappointment and disillusionment because there is no way there are enough hours in the day for anyone to meet those demands from fans. It also makes other fans feel less important.
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I will continue the discussion about fans by going back to my younger days. I could tell you where I was and what I was doing when word came that John Lennon had been shot (and as it unfolded killed). I am sure you all heard about it. His killer was a disgruntled "fan" who felt John was no longer living up to the fan's expectations and demands. I'll tell you about another one. Rebecca Shaeffer was killed by a "fan" at age 21. She had starred with Pam Dawber in "My Sister Sam" in about the mid-late 1980's. Anyway, this "fan" used to send her poems and such. She responded to one such poem by saying it was one of the most beautiful things she had ever read. As this "relationship" continued, he became obsessed with Rebecca and grew angry with her when she acted in something he found revolting. Eventually he just found her home address and went and killed her when she answered her door. This was one of the cases used to bring about stricter privacy laws.
I am not saying any of the group of fans discussed here is like this. I am saying it's something to seriously consider when dealing with fans. I will tell about an incident with this group (not the Madonna pic thing). In the aftermath of a recent comic con, one of the fans in this group did some special stuff for Hannah as they pretty much all do. Hannah did a bunch of tweeting and fav'ing for the others. This fan didn't get noticed and was upset for a day or so after the fact. After a few days, Hannah finally did manage to acknowledge his stuff. That's just with this small group. What happens if her fandom grows? As I said, there's no way she can accommodate such things. It takes far too much time.
If her fan base does indeed grow and show up at the comic cons, these fans will have to back off so that the new fans get a chance.
Anyway, these are just some of the reasons why I have been on the negative side with regards to the fans. No matter how much time you spend with the celeb, you don't know them. They're working. Much of it is an act. Fans who have met Hannah and Andrew have been asked about this and commented that they are both nice but they were definitely in public persona mode.
The advances in social media have blurred this reality.
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And what of the fans last summer? The Pannah squad and those making special things for Paul and Hannah? Presents and videos (posted on youtube). Many using some variation of Paul and Hannah in their Twitter names. The poster on p. 1 of the Paul thread that was going "they're back together" is feeling what? Those who showed up at comic cons talking about Paul in September? Those who were tweeting about Paul and Hannah in October and November...all those who we haven't heard from? Confusion and hurt come to mind when I think about them.
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The S Club fan site won't let you post about personal lives even though Rachel, Tina, and all are splashing them all over magazines...Ditto for all of them with Twitter....we're seeing their personal lives right there in the Twitter feeds on the sites.They even link to the personal social media modes for each of the celebs. Same for Hannah's fan site. Probably Andrew's as well. Where are we supposed to discuss things? That's how we ended up here. We needed to talk about things, to understand (which we don't yet as whatever it is that is supposed to clarify at least something concerning all this is still to be revealed.) We were fans trying to figure all these things out.
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The fan who runs Andrew's fan site has never met Andrew. She's been posting for about a dozen years now. She was even sat about three feet from him when he was performing "Dracula" at the Leicester in late 2012. She is too shy. So am I. Even if I wasn't shy, I wouldn't meet him. That doesn't make me not a fan. I don't like everything he's done. Neither do other fans. Heck, even Andrew doesn't like everything he's done! We're still fans of his.
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Gosh this is turning into a novel....
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I haven't read anything new since my last post in the Paul thread. I'm only disinterestedly checking as I'm waiting for this "reveal" to show up. Not that I'm all that interested in anything anymore. I've no idea what any of them are doing or saying. No "Primeval" either. The only things I'm sort of keeping an eye on are Andrew/Mariama and "Wireless" plus any Q&A's he may do. I hope it'll be safe to view them when new ones appear.
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As for my personal opinions about her appearance and Q&A from Liverpool I think it was, I felt she was very different in that Q&A compared to the other ones she's done and even the one later that same day (again with Andrew). Geek Alliance or something like that posted it to youtube. See for yourself. If you have a different opinion, fine.
I also maintain that her look at that Q&A would have people wondering if that was really her if they hadn't seen her in a few years. See the picspam thread I mentioned at the beginning of this post. There are pics of her and Andrew from their May 2011 tv appearance. Compare with the Q&A from last month with MCMBuzz. Remember you are viewing them as if you haven't seen Hannah and Andrew since 2011. Again, if you have a different opinion, so be it. None of us is wrong as it is a matter of opinion and how we have each viewed things.
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Have any of you viewed the comments from the articles that allow comments such as the mirror? No, I think it's the mail that allows them. Many people are very confused by what they are seeing. I know many of them didn't get the look for Mercedes. I'm referring to the other ones. Alarm bells went off for me in late 2014 with those S Club pics. She looked so unwell to me and the styling and make-up just added to that making her look phony. That's what I saw.

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I really do hope this "reveal" thing explains at least some of the stuff that has happened.

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Sorry for such a long post.

[MG]

Expounding a bit more...
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The fandom situation can get really precarious. As an example, I will take you back to the beginning of January 1980. The year started with Paul McCartney being arrested and put in jail in Japan for possession of "pot". An seriously unwell "fan" was killed by authorities as he tried to hijack a plane in Florida (doing this from memory so may be off on that) to go "rescue" Paul.
Now, you may think these silly and certainly they are extreme cases, but they are real nonetheless.
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What if one of these crackpots uses this group of fans or some other unknowing fan(s) to cause harm? Not likely, but still plausible. It's even entirely plausible for someone to read our discussions and decide to try and cause harm. Hence my constant plea for corrections to things I posted.
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As for the plea that these are their personal lives, as I stated in the Paul thread, some of it is known and is affecting us. I gave the benefit of the doubt to Hannah and Andrew when Paul sold his story. I gave the benefit of the doubt with the rumblings during the Andrew and Hannah split. I'd reached the end of my benefit of the doubt when Adam's cheating story appeared. Since Hannah confirmed her relationship with Paul a week later, it became more believable. Add in Holly's tweet about Hannah's cheating on Andrew into the mix and as others here agreed, something was going on we didn't like. The discussion was also about whether Hannah and Paul were even still together (They weren't.) and how the Rome stuff seemed to be an act. I stated times of the Hannah and Paul fiasco as anywhere from 10-12 weeks. I didn't pay much attention as I am- correction "was"- a "Primeval" fan not an S Club fan. Et said it was all over in about two months (S Club 7 fan but not a "Primeval" fan). That time frame isn't as much an issue as who is Hannah because she isn't who we thought she was/ seemed to be. In other words, who is this person we were fans of?
Back to the personal aspect. The big wigs wrote Paul and Hannah together into S Club as their personal relationship developed. "Primeval" did the same thing only to the nth degree. Connor wasn't supposed to end up in the Stephen/Abby storyline until the end of S1/beginning of S2. Hannah and Andrew's off screen relationship had so much chemistry or however they put it that they changed their plans for Connor/Stephen/Abby. Add in all the promotional work done by Hannah and Andrew to promote the series and how they along with Ben Miller as Lester were the only ones to appear in all the episodes and you have to take Hannah and Andrew with "Primeval" and Connor and Abby. Then, of course, there's the huge OK magazine spread and interview about their personal life...every comic con and interview for years asking about the proposal and/or wedding plans....no they are intertwined to a significant degree. Then Paul and Hannah again as the reunion happened...Hannah (and Anneliese Merrikin) promoting boyfriend/fiance?)Adam's yogabody business including all the nutritional tweets late 2013/early 2014 on her personal twitter....again mixing business with the personal.
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Hannah used her personal Twitter to promote her boyfriend/fiance? Adam's new yogabody business. She wanted fans to buy products giving them a special code they could use to buy items at a discounted price. Wanting fans to spread the word...She did all this PR work via it. Dispensing nutritional advice, etc. until fans questioned her personal qualifications regarding such advice. If personal lives are not allowed to be discussed, then her Twitter should look like Andrew's does these days. Work. That's it (with rare exceptions such as his and Mariama's wedding anniversary). Sorry. We are only fans and shouldn't know anything about anything personal. No interviews or articles about personal things such as Stanley, her house, her clothes or hair... unless she's at an event. That's it. Nothing personal, but we all know that the personal helps sell the celeb. Is her social media all going to be just work (I'm doing a voice over today or a photo shoot, or I'm filming something...or is it going to include personal things too?) There would be little to discuss if it's just work since articles would consist of work. Many of us don't get "Casualty" and other UK shows as they aren't available for us to view so not much discussion there. Which is it to be, us sitting around twiddling our thumbs for months on end until a new project appears or she posts personal stuff for us to talk about when she's not working? The answer is usually some personal along with the work. If so, we should be allowed to assess that as it's part of what you are using to get us to be fans, right? Unfortunately that means sometimes unpleasant things along with the good (like the engagement shoot with Hannah and Andrew).
We're no less fans just because we don't go gaga over every little thing or let things pass just because the person is a "celebrity". We needed answers to what we were having problems with. Still waiting while getting more frustrated...Actually I'm not. I was, but I gave up being a fan although I am interested to see whatever it is that's supposed to give us a correct picture about something regarding Hannah.
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Shoot, this has turned into another novel...Sorry again. Things would be so much shorter and quicker if I could speak them. It's much more challenging to fully articulate my thoughts clearly and sufficiently to everyone while typing.

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I have to apologize again. I believe I forgot to thank those who did post corrections. I'm very sorry about that.
So, thank you to SC for the five week time frame for Paul and Hannah and to those who posted about the motorcycle pic not being Adam. (He was at "The Armour" at some point but wasn't in the motorcycle pic.) The Mothering Day pic which no one could say for certain was an engagement ring or not. And for any others that I've forgotten.

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I don't know why everything is still posted. If I could delete or edit I would.

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from me,a stupid middle-aged fool:

Poor manners on my part.

I am sorry to the admin. and proboard people, Twitter, FB, etc. for any mistakes or errors on my part. And I ask for forgiveness to everyone.

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I think I put August in the Paul apology. That's when the discussions really got going. It should be since June as that's when I first posted.

[Anon]

Apr 30, 2016 10:13:41 GMT 1 MG said:

I think I put August in the Paul apology. That's when the discussions really got going. It should be since June as that's when I first posted.

What's caused the sudden change of heart?

[MG]

We don't know these people. We never will. They are only going to tell us what they want when they want. What they tell us may be completely true, partly true, or completely false. Since we won't really know what is true, false, or manipulation (or PR), there's no point in paying any attention to them.

I was tired of the mental gymnastics required to figure out what was going on. I just kept ending up with more questions. It was a waste of everyone's time. And, I did not want to become a slave to my senses while attempting to sort out what was true and what wasn't in all of this.

It hasn't been sudden, either. If you read through the Paul thread, I posted apologies three times, I believe. I still check in on a few things things, but there isn't any real interest in any of it anymore.

It would be nice to know what is going on with all the cheating stories surrounding Hannah, especially since she said during her S Club days that she'd cheated on all her boyfriends except one (I'm assuming the one was Paul. Where Andrew part one fits in to that I have left open.)At any rate, cheating is a symptom not a cause. If this works, this must be the article I read, but it's no longer online. I wouldn't have read the S Club article. The comments tell what I'm referring to.

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Chloe Thorneycroft What's that I read about her admitting she's cheated on all her boyfriends except one? Emoticón gasp
5 de febrero de 2012 a las 13:04 ·
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Primeval ARCadians IIRC, that's a bit from a (very) old interview she did back in her S Club days. Kind of sad, IMHO, that they're making such a thing out of it. -S
5 de febrero de 2012 a las 14:30 ·

I think she once said she had a five year plan for marrying Andrew as well, but that wasn't mentioned again any of their interviews/articles that I can recall. One of the "Location, Location, Location" eps. on youtube has another lady with a five year plan. Anyway, I tried to see the big picture and fit the pieces together but couldn't. My conclusions are apparently wrong. So, I apologized (and tried to delete or edit unsuccessfully) and walked away. It's kinda like Martha walking away from The Doctor in Doctor Who.

Hopefully this makes sense.

[Anon]

Yes, it does make sense.
Did you see that a picture was posted of her and Adam this weekend?

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As I stated previously, I wish everyone well in their lives.
They are good at their PR stuff. Who knows if they're telling the truth, lying, or mixing the two. It's a waste of time as we're not likely to find out the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth from all of them.
I simply no longer care, which is sad because I had been following their relationship for those couple of years even though I didn't get them.

[MG]

Things have gotten more complicated in Hannah's life while it appears Mariama is sporting a baby bump. Still wish everyone well.

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Mariama... baby bump, where did you see this, if this is true I'm so excited!!!!

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The Honeyz performed at a Pontins resort in June 2016. There are a couple of pics of Celena and one of Mariama.

Here's Mariama's (google Sid Shorthouse if the link doesn't work):

To me it looks like she's about six months in the pic. What do you think?

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it totally does OMG soooo excited, that will be one cute baby!!!! I'm surprised they haven't announced anything, maybe soon. thank you for telling me I honestly had no clue lol

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Well, Mariama tweets about once a month these days and Andrew seems to keep his twitter focused on work. They probably are concentrating on the lives and family. The way social media is it's a good plan.
I'm very excited for them as well.